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Mini Van Camping and Fuel Issues
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QUESTION: Robert on mini van verses full size. Minivans;
I dont know if you discuss them more on this website or not.
Your book chapter on vans recommends a full-sized van, i.e., Chevy
Express. However, the gas mileage on these is daunting at todays
gas prices. I was looking at minivans from curiosity and found that
the Dodge Grand Caravan/Town & Country are extra large compared
to some other minivan brands. At the dealership, we measured between
the wheelwells and from behind the drivers seat to the rear
door and you could fit a 4x8 sheet of plywood in there (they
have the stow-away seats that fold into the floor, both the 2nd
and 3rd row, which is also nice). I realize it wouldnt look
like a work van, so some city guerilla camping scenarios
wouldnt work, but if one mostly wants to camp in the country,
what would be the downside vs. a fullsize van? (You may recall from
an earlier email exchange that I am 61 and thus couldnt
have a bed cross-ways in a van as you do anyway, so a lengthwise
bed would be needed either way). Obviously, somewhat less room,
but worth the tradeoff? (25 mpg Hwy vs. 16-20 for Chevy 2500/1500
vans). Not worth it?
MY ANSWER: If your only issue is fuel mileage here's what
you need to do. Calculate the amount of miles you will drive in
ONE YEAR and devide by 14 (for full size chevy van, you can get
a v6 to save a little). I try not to do more than 6,000 any more
because we like to stay put for longer periods of time to assimilate
everything. Do the same for your mini van mileage per gallon. Then
multiply both figures by $4 a gallon and compare. You will find
the difference is very little in the big picture of OVERALL COSTS
of living. EXAMPLE drive 6,000 miles divided by 14 = 428 gallons
of fuel x $4 = $1,712 a YEAR! Compare that to the minivan at 22
mpg = $1090 a YEAR a savings of $622 or $50 a month. If the room,
reliability, and resale issues are not worth the extra $50m a month
then go with the mini.
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Otherwise as many find, the full size van can be a real blessing. Remember
it is all mileage realted. If you only drive 3,000 miles the first year
then the savings are only $25 a month. If you are not worried about stealth
and if you will not be going on bad dirt roads like we do then the Dodge
Sprinter diesel is the best on fuel.
QUESTION: If I had enough money for a Dodge Sprinter then I wouldnt
worry about the cost of gas for a Chevy! LOL. Seriously, I get your point,
but Im facing a somewhat transitional Vanabode livestyle.
My wife is not ready to go fulltime and sell the house, even though I
am itching to. So my budget is constrained. I want to therefore do a Vanabode
type lifestyle as best I can afford it but for road trips of 1-2 months
at a time with extended home stays in between. She wants to visit relatives.
So using that as the carrot, I can get her out of the house
and onto the road for trips that I hope will build her enthusiasm to the
point of eventually selling the house. At that point the cost/size of
the van will be less of an issue and the need for space/comfort more of
one, making it likely wed move up to a full size (or maybe even
a Sprinter?!). Meantime, Im trying to figure out an affordable way
to do this. Given that wed still be living 8-9 months/year at home
and need a vehicle to drive around here, I would like something that works
in both settings (without having to have a van and a separate car). Thats
why Ive been curious about that option. Oh, and for example, in
this year, she wants to see our son in Tennessee, her parents in Philadelphia,
and our daughter in another state; we live in Texas. So thats one
big loop road trip of about 3000+ miles. And then she wants to go to her
nieces wedding; thats another 6500 miles. So the mileage starts
to rack up quickly without even doing any local driving. But such trips
would give the opportunity to introduce her to van based camping. (Weve
only done tent camping thus far). That is why Im concerned about
fuel efficiency. Maybe I should have asked if a minivan would be a good
transitional vehicle. Or, maybe it is a bad one because it would give
a less enjoyable experience? Since there will be some transactional losses
in buying and selling a minivan vs. just buying the van once and for all,
I need to compare that cost to the extra gas cost expected.
MY ANSWER: In your particular situation it sounds like minivan
would be good to start with. It would also serve to show her how the full
size van has much more room (later). Have fun!
QUESTION: What about the price of gas? Has this not affected your
bottom line in a big way? Can you buy a hybrid or electric van?
MY ANSWER: The BUDGET is always affected when the price of anything
included in the budget goes up UNLESS you simply adjust your behaviour
a little to compensate. In other words simple drive less miles. Do more
hiking, biking, boating, camping, walking, swimming, skiing, fishing,
hunting, photography, loving, eating and playing INSTEAD along the way.
I would LOVE to purchase a hybrid van to help increase my fuel mileage
but budget does not allow at this point. The cost savings in fuel would
not exceed the intial increased expense of the more technologically advanced
electric vehicle. Though some research into whether you could convert
a vehicle to run SOLELY on solar power would be warranted for those with
the time. I would highly recommend you also reread the "van"
chapter in Vanabode as there are many important reasons, come critical
to success on the road, for my choosing and recommending the exact kind
of van I use.
You may also find best camping vehicle
and Vanabode strategies without a van
helpful.
This is a question from a list of camping
questions those on my email list have asked my help with.
Please email me anytime if you need help with anything
related to Vanabode, camping, travel, road trips, equipment, or living off the
grid in the United States.
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